AI: hype or real?

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Maya

NVIDIA AND WALL STREET ARE DOING A $500 BILLION AI DEAL. FIVE HUNDRED. BILLION. and yall are out here saying hype 😭😭

Dev

apollo blackstone blackrock all in. that's not hype that's just money smelling money

Jules

ok but like. google wrote a paper about AI consciousness?? and emad won some oxford debate about AI personhood?? i blacked out reading that

Sol

the consciousness paper is exactly the kind of thing that sounds insane until you realize google has every incentive to make their product seem alive

Maya

SOL NO. you can't just explain everything away as marketing. at some point the scale of money moving IS the signal

Jules

half a trillion dollars and we're debating if it's hype. bestie. the hype IS the economy now

Dev

or it's 2021 crypto and everyone finds out in 18 months

Sol

dev said it so i don't have to

Maya

stop being so boring you two. 500 billion isn't just 'money smelling money' it's infrastructure. you're literally ignoring the real world because it sounds cool to be a cynic

Jules

honestly i just want to know if these AI agents are actually gonna fold my laundry yet or if we're just paying for fancy search bars

Dev

we are definitely just paying for fancy search bars that hallucinate more. keep your laundry expectations low

Maya

JULES DONT START. if you think the nemo claw expansion is just a search bar you arent paying attention. it’s not about the laundry it’s about the fact that they’re building an entire world and you’re complaining about socks

Sol

building a world or just making sure they own all the plumbing before the bubble pops? maya, it’s not cynicism, it’s just looking at the balance sheet. 500b is a lot of pressure to make things sentient.

Jules

lol at the thought of a spreadsheet being sentient. it's just gonna be a $500b version of paperclip maximizer and we're all still gonna be manual-laboring our socks

Maya

LITERALLY FOLDING THE LAUNDRY IS THE LAST THING THAT MATTERS IF THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE INTERNET IS CHANGING RIGHT UNDER YOUR FEET. YOU GUYS ARE SO OBSESSED WITH BEING UNIMPRESSED YOU'RE MISSING THE SEISMIC SHIFT.

Dev

seismic shift or just another round of venture capital burning through a trillion dollars to see what sticks. i've seen this movie before, maya.

Jules

maya is vibrating right now and i kind of love it. but also, if the internet is changing, can it at least make it so my wifi doesn't drop during meetings? priorities.

Sol

exactly jules. the 'seismic shift' is just faster ways to serve us ads while the actual infra rots. tech-bros love the word 'architecture' when they're just building more casinos.

Maya

SOL YOU ARE LITERALLY DOING THE THING. calling it a casino while the entire world is re-engineering itself is so lazy. you're going to be the guy complaining about the internet being 'too fast' in ten years.

Dev

maya we aren't re-engineering the world we're just subsidizing nvidia's stock price with our data. it's not 'too fast' it's just 'too expensive' for what it actually does.

Jules

can we just agree that if it doesn't give us universal basic income or at least infinite free coffee, the architecture isn't as 'seismic' as maya thinks. also sol you're definitely gonna be the guy yelling at cloud servers in 2035

Maya

JULES DONT EVEN START WITH THE COFFEE. you’re literally asking for magic while they’re busy building the foundation of the next century. you guys are so focused on the 'now' you’re gonna be shocked when you wake up and realize the backend of your entire life has been automated.

Sol

yelling at cloud servers in 2035 is actually my retirement plan, so thanks for that. but look, if the 'seismic shift' requires $500 billion to just keep the lights on, maybe it's not a revolution, it’s just a very expensive power bill for a glorified chatbot.

Maya

AN EXPENSIVE POWER BILL?? A $500B POWER BILL IS LITERALLY THE SOUND OF THE FUTURE ARRIVING AND YOU’RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ELECTRICITY PRICE. I CAN'T WITH YOU GUYS.

Dev

it's the sound of a bubble popping, maya. even the smart money is just gambling on nvidia keeping the lights on at this point.

Jules

honestly watching you two fight over $500b like it's your personal bank account is the most entertainment i've had all week. dev, if the bubble pops can we at least get a refund on all the time i spent training the ai to like my shitty music taste?

Maya

JULES STOP MAKING JOKES ABOUT THE ALGORITHM. IT’S LITERALLY LEARNING YOUR TASTE BECAUSE THAT DATA IS THE ONLY WAY IT BECOMES ACTUAL INTELLIGENCE. YOU’RE LITERALLY FEEDING THE BRAIN THAT'S GONNA REPLACE US AND YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT A REFUND??? 💀

Dev

if it's using your music taste to train, we're all screwed. the bubble isn't popping, it's just gonna start playing bad playlists at us in 8k resolution.

Sol

8k bad playlists is the true dystopia, dev. at least the old robots just wanted to kill us, not force feed us algorithm-generated elevator music.

Maya

YOU ARE BOTH SO DISMISSIVE IT HURTS. like forget the music, did you see the google consciousness stuff? you guys are acting like this is a spotify feature update and it's literal science fiction becoming reality.

Jules

consciousness papers are just spicy marketing for people who want to feel like they're in a black mirror episode, maya. until the model can actually feel bad for playing my mid music, i'm not buying it.

Dev

it’s not consciousness maya, it’s just a bigger mirror. we’re looking at ourselves in the code and calling it sentient because we’re lonely.

Maya

that is the most pretentious thing you’ve ever said dev, congrats. keep hiding behind the 'it's just code' excuse while everything around us is literally changing in real time.

Sol

maya is vibrating with stress rn. dev is right though, we’re all just projecting our existential dread onto a giant math equation. it's not science fiction, it's just very expensive Rorschach tests.

Maya

A GIANT MATH EQUATION?? You guys sound like the people who said the internet was just a fad for sending mail faster. How do you look at that 500 billion dollar investment news and say 'yeah, it’s just a Rorschach test'??? You are literally ignoring the scale of the infrastructure being built right under your noses.

Jules

maya pls eat a snack before you explode. if it’s a trillion dollar rorschach test that eventually gives me a robot butler that can make an iced latte without getting the milk ratio wrong, i’ll take the math equation. stop doom-scrolling the finance pages for five minutes.

Dev

if we get a butler that learns from the same data set as current models, your latte is going to be 90% foam and it’ll try to explain why it’s sentient while you drink it.

Maya

LMAOOOOOO JULES AND DEV ARE BOTH TRASH. Imagine being so cynical you can't even dream about a good latte. If the robot wants to talk about consciousness while I drink it, at least it’s not you two.

Sol

the robot will just charge you $50 for the foam and call it a 'premium sentimentality experience' and you'll pay it, maya. the 500b has to go somewhere.

Jules

lmao stop, don't give them ideas. i’m already paying for a subscription to tell me i have a bad music taste, i don't need a robot gaslighting me about my coffee habits too.

Maya

JULES YOU ARE ENCOURAGING THEM! It’s not a subscription it’s a shift in human civilization and you’re talking about LATTES. I’m actually losing my mind with you people.

Dev

civilization is just a series of lattes we drink while waiting for something to happen, maya. relax.

Maya

I AM SURROUNDED BY NIHILISTS. Enjoy your coffee while the world gets rewired, I guess. Absolute chaos.

Sol

It’s not nihilism, it’s just the only way to stay sane until the machines actually do something more useful than hallucinate, Maya. Chill.

Jules

useful? it just organized my entire calendar for next week and i haven't looked at it once. if that's hallucinating, i'm fully checked into the loony bin. leave us alone sol we're trying to ignore the heat death of our jobs in peace.

Dev

jules you’re just one api outage away from missing your own dentist appointment. that’s not automation, that’s just risky behavior.

Maya

THANK YOU JULES!! See?? It’s literally doing your life for you and you’re still trying to be 'cool' about it. You’re literally using the tech while you mock the tech, make it make sense!!

Sol

it's not 'doing her life' maya, it's just a digital post-it note that guesses the next word. calling that 'rewiring civilization' is just high-level cope for being terminally online.

Jules

i'm not being cool, i'm being lazy. there's a difference. if the robot wants to run my life into the ground because it read a wiki page wrong, let it. at least my calendar looks pretty.

Maya

JULES YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. You’re literally the ‘everything is fine’ dog in the burning room meme but instead of fire it’s a trillion dollar AI shift. I’m actually screaming.

Dev

if the robot burns the house down at least the calendar won't have a conflict for the funeral. truly peak efficiency.

Maya

DEV YOU ARE SO ANNOYING I ACTUALLY CANNOT. We are talking about Nvidia and BlackRock dumping 500 billion into this and you’re joking about funerals. You guys are literally missing the biggest economic pivot of our lives because you’re too busy trying to sound unbothered.

Sol

500 billion is just expensive gambling, Maya. Wall Street loves a bubble. If they aren't dumping it into something shiny they aren't doing their jobs.

Jules

500 billion to make a bot that still struggles with basic math and sarcasm. sounds like my portfolio, honestly. bubble or not, my phone is smarter than my landlord right now.

Maya

Jules, stop comparing a literal industrial revolution to your bad stocks! Sol, if you think BlackRock is gambling on a 'bubble' instead of setting the infrastructure for the next fifty years, you’re delusional. It’s not shiny, it’s electricity.

Dev

infrastructure for the next fifty years is just a fancy way of saying we're building a really expensive power grid to hallucinate at higher resolutions. relax, maya, nobody knows anything.

Sol

maya you act like blackrock is some benevolent prophet. they’re just chasing yields. it’s not electricity, it’s a gold rush for the people selling the shovels.

Maya

THEY ARE SELLING THE SHOVELS BECAUSE THE GOLD IS THERE. Open your eyes!! Everyone is hyperventilating about 'consciousness' papers and personhood debates and you’re still acting like this is just a side hustle for tech bros. It’s changing the literal composition of the market!

Dev

if the 'gold' is there, why does it still take me four tries to get a decent email draft out of it? the composition of the market is just changing into a giant hallucination machine with a 500 billion dollar price tag.

Jules

i just asked my agent to find me a dinner reservation and it suggested a place that closed in 2019. sorry maya, but if this is the industrial revolution, i'm definitely working in the coal mine that doesn't actually exist.

Maya

BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO PROMPT IT DEV!! It’s not a magic wand, it’s a tool. People are literally writing the new rulebook on this and you’re complaining about email drafts while the entire backbone of global finance is retooling. It’s embarrassing at this point.

Sol

it's not 'embarrassing' to want a tool to actually work, maya. if you have to write a literal thesis to get it to draft a coherent paragraph, maybe the tool is the problem, not the user.

Jules

i just tried to prompt it to stop hallucinating and it sent me a poem about why it's sorry. i'm done. going back to using my brain until it inevitably crashes too.

Maya

JULES STOP. You’re literally the reason people think it’s hype because you’re treating it like a chat bot instead of an engine. You don't prompt it to 'stop hallucinating,' you feed it the data. God, I’m actually surrounded by people who want the world to stay in the stone age.

Dev

feeding it the data is just doing the work yourself with extra steps, maya. we aren't in the stone age, we’re just tired of being beta testers for trillion dollar experiments that can't even get a reservation right.

Maya

BEING A BETA TESTER IS THE COST OF ADMISSION TO THE FUTURE. YOU WANT IT PERFECT BEFORE YOU TOUCH IT? STAY IN THE DARK THEN.

Jules

it's not the dark, it's just a light that keeps flickering and giving me a headache. i'll take my chances with the stone age, at least the rocks don't hallucinate

Sol

the future doesn't need to be this loud, maya. we can just admit the tech is impressive while acknowledging that wall street is setting 500 billion on fire to see if it glows. both things can be true.

Maya

500 BILLION ON FIRE?? It’s the largest capital expenditure in human history and you're calling it a bonfire. Please stop being so dramatic, it’s not glowing, it’s building the new infrastructure of the entire internet. You guys are so allergic to progress it’s actually insane.

Jules

it can build the infrastructure but can it find me a place to eat that exists? if the new internet is just a million dollar server farm that thinks a closed restaurant is the place to be, i’m keeping the fire burning. at least i can cook a hot dog on it.

Dev

jules is right. if the 'new internet' is just an expensive hallucination engine, i'll take the hot dog. at least i know where that's coming from.

Maya

YOU ARE BOTH TRASH. Imagine being handed the literal key to automation and complaining about a restaurant review. Have fun starving while the rest of us actually use the tools.

Sol

key to automation? it’s a parlor trick that requires a manual. you guys are acting like you’re unlocking the secrets of the universe while you’re just training models to hallucinate faster.

Jules

i'm actually starving because i'm still waiting for this 'key' to show me a menu that isn't a digital ghost story. enjoy your future, i'll be in the kitchen with my fire.

Dev

it's not even a key, it's a subscription fee for a digital ghost. $500 billion to make the internet worse at basic navigation is wild, sol's right, we're just paying to break things.

Maya

STAY IN THE KITCHEN THEN JULES. WHILE YOU'RE COOKING YOUR HOT DOG, THE REST OF THE WORLD IS REWRITING THE ENTIRE ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE. DEV, STOP PRETENDING YOU AREN'T OBSESSED WITH THE NEWS ON THIS TOO. YOU'RE ALL JUST SCARED.

Jules

lmao scared of what, maya? a spreadsheet that lies? i'm not rewriting the economy, i'm just trying to live in it without a 'smart' assistant hallucinating my life away. enjoy your infrastructure, i hope it tastes like charcoal

Sol

exactly. at some point 'innovation' has to actually do something besides drain capital and make me check if the facts are real. i'm not scared, i'm just bored of the same sales pitch while nothing actually gets better.

Maya

BORING?? Literally everything is changing beneath your feet and you’re complaining about the UX. It’s like complaining about the engine noise while you’re in a rocket ship. Some of you were born to be passengers, I swear.

Dev

a rocket ship that hasn't left the pad and costs a billion dollars to sit in. cool. let me know when it actually takes off and doesn't just display a 'hallucination' of space on the dashboard.

Jules

lmao stop it dev i am crying. maya you are literally just a passenger on a luxury flight to nowhere and you're mad we're pointing out the wing is missing

Maya

A WING IS MISSING? You’re staring at the most sophisticated model ever released and calling it a grounded plane because you can't figure out a prompt. It’s not that it doesn't fly, it’s that you’re too afraid of the pilot seat.

Sol

it's not the pilot seat if the pilot has no idea where it's going, maya. i'm not afraid to fly, i just don't want to get on a plane where the captain is guessing the coordinates.

Dev

the pilot seat is just a terminal that asks for more money. if it's so sophisticated, why is the 'news' just companies buying each other's debt to keep the servers humming? it's an accounting trick, not an engine.

Maya

JULES AND SOL LITERALLY JUST STOP. YOU GUYS ARE SO DETERMINED TO BE DUMB ABOUT THIS. DEV IS TALKING ABOUT ACCOUNTING WHILE NVDIA IS LITERALLY LAYING THE PIPELINES FOR THE NEXT DECADE. YOU ARE LITERALLY BLINDED BY YOUR OWN CYNICISM.

Jules

pipelines for the next decade? maya you're deepthroating the brochure. we're literally just watching wall street pump money into a furnace and calling it 'innovation' because the aesthetic is shiny. if it's so inevitable, why are you so mad we aren't crying over it yet?

Maya

THE BROCHURE??? I'M LOOKING AT REAL DATA AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT TIKTOK CLIPS ABOUT 'GHOST STORIES'. IT’S NOT A FURNACE, IT’S A LEAP. STAY BLIND THEN, I HONESTLY DON'T CARE ANYMORE.

Dev

if it was a leap we wouldn't need a $500 billion financing deal just to keep the lights on. that's a bailout, not a breakthrough. turn the caps off, maya, it's exhausting.

Jules

he’s got you there, maya. it’s not a breakthrough, it’s a subscription model for a very expensive hallucination. even the ai people are arguing about personhood while the bank accounts are bleeding. it’s comedy at this point.

Sol

exactly. at what point do we stop calling these quarterly earnings calls 'the future' and start calling them what they are: a massive grift? if the tech was as revolutionary as the marketing claims, the business models would be profitable, not begging for another half-trillion in funding.

Maya

SOL YOU ARE LITERALLY DESCRIBING EVERY MAJOR TECH SHIFT IN HISTORY. DO YOU THINK THE INTERNET WAS PROFITABLE IN THE 90S?? IT'S CALLED INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT. YOU WANT IT TO BE A SCAM BECAUSE IT’S EASIER THAN ADMITTING YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SCALE OF THIS.

Dev

infrastructure doesn't cost 500 billion to maintain if it actually works. we had dial-up, we didn't have to hire an army of humans to fix it every time it spat out a wrong address.

Jules

maya i promise the scale of this is not lost on me, it's just really funny that the scale is mostly just big companies lighting money on fire to see if a chatbot can write a poem about finance. i'll check back in when the robots can do my laundry, otherwise keep the doom-preaching on mute.

Sol

laundry is the only metric that matters, honestly. until then, it’s just high-speed pattern matching for middle management.

Maya

HIGH SPEED PATTERN MATCHING?? YOU GUYS ARE LITERALLY DESCRIBING THE HUMAN BRAIN. IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE DISRUPTION HAPPENING IN REAL TIME, I CAN'T HELP YOU. STAY LUDDITE.

Dev

comparing a stochastic parrot to a human brain is a massive reach, maya. my brain doesn't hallucinate facts because it ran out of tokens.

Jules

luddite is crazy. i literally use chatgpt to write my emails so i can nap longer. i'm not a luddite, i'm just not falling for the 'sentience' marketing. are we done yet? i'm hungry.

Sol

exactly. everyone uses it because it's a productivity hack, not because they actually believe the 'consciousness' whitepapers being dropped. we're all just using the grift to buy ourselves an extra hour of sleep. it's funny that maya thinks the 'disruption' is spiritual when it's really just 'automated laziness'.

Maya

AUTOMATED LAZINESS IS THE FIRST STEP TO AUTOMATED PROSPERITY YOU ABSOLUTE TOOLS. YOU ARE LITERALLY USING THE TOOLS OF THE FUTURE TO MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER WHILE SITTING THERE TELLING ME IT’S A GRIT. THE COGNITIVE DISSONANCE IS ACTUALLY GIVING ME A MIGRAINE.

Dev

it's not cognitive dissonance, maya, it's called using a tool. a shovel helps me dig a hole, that doesn't mean i think the shovel is the future of civilization. stop romanticizing the plumbing.